Were you in charge of issuing permits? Yes, permits, magnetic cards, things like that.
What kind of permits did you give out? Entry to Israel and for movement within the Territories.
Is there a special permit for Palestinians who come from Nablus to work in the Jordan Valley, in Jericho for example? There used to be, now I think it’s open. Don’t take my word for it, because I haven’t been there in seven months. The last time I was there, in Beit el Kabr, I think they opened traffic from Nablus to the valley, but the council used to give us lists.
Which council? The Jordan Valley council. For Palestinians who work in the settlements, if that’s what you mean.
And for Palestinians who don’t have work? They need a crown permit, a red permit. Like everyone else.
What does that mean? A red permit.
What if you want to go from Jenin to Jericho? You don’t need a permit. In the past, you only needed one in Nablus if you were going through the valley. You had to have a crown permit. Now you don’t need one anymore, I think. If I’m not mistaken. I think you don’t need one anymore. But they’d issue it in Nablus, not where we were. Residents of Jericho could pretty much move freely. The restriction was only on residents of Nablus.
And not on Jenin? Jenin, maybe . . . I don’t remember.
Because you need to come down from there to get to Jericho. Yes, but from Tubas, for example, you could enter Jericho, no problem, you didn’t need a permit. I think it was just for the Nablus sector.
Tubas is Nablus. Tubas is considered the Jenin sector. The District Coordination and Liaison considers it part of the Jenin DCL, and so I think it’s just for residents of Nablus, because then there was a wave of terrorists from the Nablus sector. And the thinking then . . . I think it was just for Nablus residents. That’s what I remember. Also there were Palestinians working in agriculture in the settlements. So they’d submit a list and they’d get . . .
Permits. No, they didn’t need them. The lists were in some binder and they’d bring in the list and we’d know. Now they also need a business permit, a green permit. There are special permits for businesses.
So how many permits does a person have to have? There are a few things. If you need to get into Israel, there’s a blue permit. For travel from Nablus . . . I think, all that’s left from the crown permits, the red permits, are the ones for taxis and public transportation. Don’t take my word for it, I’m not sure. I’m not up-to-date. And there’s the business permit if you work, that gives you more hours. You’ve got more time to travel, from five to twelve or from five to ten.
A permit works according to hours? Yeah, there are hours.
The crown permit, that’s just for taxis? Regular people don’t use them anymore? No, they don’t need them anymore, I think. It’s no longer necessary, I think.
Were they canceled during your time? They were in the process of being canceled. No need. I don’t know if . . . I think they still issue them. But I’m not sure it’s needed. Don’t take my word for it. I’m not sure.
Which ones did you issue? All of them.