?This happened following whatI think, following all the events with this commander (at an earlier stage of the interview the interviewee spoke about one of the commanders in the company, who fired shells into a populated area and staged an attack on the post, and more).
Only with that commander?Yes. I'm not even sure if I've gone to the company commander and said, "I'm not". Simply when something had to be done I would come - I was a veteran so I could choose what I want to do - I would come to the officer in command and say, "Listen, I'm not going, do what you . . . " and it was not convenience considerations. Even when people went on leave for two days every two days and everybody left the post, I preferred to stay in.
What's your over-all feeling about serving in the territories? It was a horror. First of all, you're in a tank, a man wakes up in the morning and sees a tank five meters from his home, which is an unpleasant thing in itself. Moreover, truth is, there were some checkpoints I did with border-policemen who didn't treat people very nicely.
How so? In a humiliating way, not like humans. They yelled at them . . .
Where was the checkpoint?Near Gilo, I think. It was in some checkpoints that we did, it was really a very temporary assignment, just a day or two. Somewhere near Jerusalem, I don't remember where.
Do you do reserve service? I decided not to do reserve service in the occupied territories.
If your company assemble to go into the territories, wouldn't you go? No. ( . . . ) All in all, it made me feel bad, the whole story, and I think it sunk in more in retrospect. I mean, when I traveled abroad and got perspective. Nobody knows what's happening and what to do, and it really makes people do immoral things one way or another. It's very difficult to be moral there. There's always a dilemma. If you want to perform the assignment, to prevent a terrorist act, you are liable to injure the rights and the human dignity of the Palestinians. In short, I found out that in no way am I for the occupation.