How do you know? It’s simply because technically, he may have already been driving the car with a fractured rib – but it's unlikely. Highly unlikely. If he was lying there with a fractured rib after being arrested healthy, then someone must have injured him since then. The injury was caused after he was arrested.
How do you know he didn’t resist his arrest by the Border Police?Simply from their description of the incident, that’s what I understood.
What kind of paperwork is involved? A form for taking a detainee to a detention cell?Yes, something like that. It’s a medical form that the doctor fills out. I remember waiting there for a long time until we could take the detainee, and I don’t know exactly what happened to make us wait there, I don’t remember any more, but we waited there for some time. Perhaps some problem came up, maybe they didn’t want our ambulance to be used for transporting him or something like that, because it’s supposed to be a vehicle for missions. I don’t know, one of those things, we were simply there for a long time.
What about the form, what has to be filled in?It’s this kind of form, is the detainee is fit for arrest. It’s like, the doctor is supposed to interview him to find out whether he uses any special medication, whether he’s diabetic, whether he’ll need more medical care in the next 24 hours. All kinds of things that are meant to determine whether this person is fit for arrest or needs to be hospitalized.
So what did you write in that report?That’s the point, the doctor filled out the form. I assume he wrote that the guy had to see a doctor, that he needed medical care, but I don’t know for sure.
Where did you take him from there?There was some camp with a pretty big detention cell.
So he ended up in detention?I think so, but maybe from there, I don’t know exactly what happened to him after that. I don’t know. From my acquaintance with the doctor, I’m sure he wrote down that fractured ribs were suspected and I assume he recommended getting him x-rayed or something, but I don’t know what happened next.
…Did you handle the detainee?I just helped him, we helped get him into the ambulance.
Did he have any bruises on his arms, his head?He was shackled, with plastic handcuffs. And I remember the Border Police guys – at first, we parked pretty far from where he was, and the Border Police told him – we had no problem moving closer to him with the car, and they made him walk towards us, and he just limped along the whole way, until we brought the ambulance closer to him. But they really couldn’t understand why we were doing that, that it might make it a bit easier for him or something. Or when we helped him climb into the ambulance, it was obvious that they couldn’t figure out what we were doing and why.