How did the other girls manage in Hebron? Our girls became extreme in both directions. There were those who just went and said enough, I'm not a combat soldier, I'm a clerk, and they became clerks for that thing. There was one who became a driver, so she was just the driver of the company jeep. She didn't guard, she didn't deal with anyone, she was with the jeep and the front command team. And there where those who went nuts, they became worse than the guys.
What do you mean? Say, an Arab would say something to her that wasn’t okay, so she’d call up four guys from the company to come and deal with him. A Safari [carrying soldiers] comes down to beat up the Arab she’s detaining.
Do you remember a specific incident? I'll tell you an interesting story. I was at a post and the year-group beneath us arrived. One of the girls there, she became the company commander’s girlfriend, and she was very extreme in her opinions. And it was a time, I don't remember exactly what caused it, but we [always] had a round of bullets in the chamber. It was a time when you had to guard with a round in the chamber. It was like, really dangerous, they shot at us a lot. The order was to always have a round in the chamber. A cocked weapon, a round in the chamber and a finger near the trigger, not on the trigger. And then there was a boom, we heard a shot, and of course I was on patrol, and we ran to see what happened, and we see her, that soldier, standing like this, an Arab is in front of her, bleeding on the ground, and she’s saying something like: “He tried to attack me, he tried to attack me.” And we’re looking at him, and he’s been shot in his stomach, so we say to her – in his stomach, she made a hole – we say to her: What did he do? What do you mean, he tried to attack you? How did he try to attack you? And the soldier who was with her, he was all confused, he didn't know what to say to us: “What she said, what she said,” [he was] saying something like that. I was also relatively senior already. And she told some story that she’d asked for his ID card and he wouldn't give it to her, and then he attacked her and she somehow really tried to run away, and then she turned around and shot him in the stomach. Something like that. And you're looking and you see an Arab, you see he’s been shot point blank, he has an ID card in his hand, he's holding his ID in his hand. And you say to her: Listen, it can't be, something in your story is a bit crooked. And what happened to the third soldier, is he afraid to talk? Finding out, inquiries, a whole thing. Turns out she asked for his ID and he came close in order to give it to her, I don't know, he got too close, he came close to give it to her – that's what was in the last report we went over – and she pushed him back with her weapon and a bullet was discharged into his stomach. First thing, when we got there, instead of saying oh no, what have I done, it was something like, “he attacked me, he tried to attack me.” And this girl, in the end it turned out that she did say that he really did get too close to her, she got scared, the round was already in the chamber and she pushed him kind of like this in the stomach, and the bullet was fired into his stomach.
She admitted to it? Yes, she admitted to it afterwards, in all the investigations. I think she wasn't tried. She left the company, they threw her out of the company. Yes, she went to be a military policewoman or a jail instructor or something like that. Yeah, a policewoman, in policing. That was her punishment.
What happened to the man? I don't know, they evacuated him in a Palestinian ambulance... The whole thing shocked me. That a girl shot a man in the stomach and the first thing she says is something like, he attacked me. What did he attack you with, with his ID card? He had an ID card in his hand, what did he attack you with? […] I remember that when she shot the Arab in the stomach and we all came there, I kept asking: What do you mean, what did he try to do to you? And everyone, suddenly, at some point, the commander who was with me, who got there very quickly, he says to me: What do you want? What is this? Why don’t you stop it? Stop asking what does it mean, what does it mean. Enough. She’s telling you he tried to attack her, what don't you understand? So I said: Okay, fine.
As in, don’t argue? I also hadn’t seen what had happened, you understand? I wasn't there. We came because of the boom. And the boom was afterwards, and the man was lying on the ground. At least say something like, I released a bullet by mistake, say something like that. She just stood there and yelled: He tried to attack me. What, he ran at you with his ID and tried to smash it into your head? That was also part of it. It was the greatest fear, to go to prison because of them, because of the Arabs. I'll go to prison because of them? So I'll shoot him in the stomach, I'll spit in his face, as long as I don’t get caught. And in my opinion, the not getting caught means, there’s a statement behind it of, ‘I'm doing something not okay, if I don't want to get caught.’ I think that pretty much says it. Which means that everyone was pretty aware of what was happening there, that it was not okay.
But people did it all the time. Yes.