What seemed crazy to you? Crazy? Look, this whole thing that people [going] from village to village, from area A to Area A, had to be careful all the time, just coming from Daharia, we were here, Eshkolot. Even from Daharia, if they wanted to enter - okay, there was the whole thing with illegals (people entering Israel without permits), that’s the place. That’s where the army – maybe now it’s changed a bit with the fence, but when you see that [the army] has set up observation posts. That was an important part of the military mission, to stop these people, and you see the Israeli vehicles that arrive and pick up these people, and sneak them over to the Israeli side. And you don’t actually know, I mean essentially these are workers, but you don’t know if actually he’s picked up people and they’re going to carry out a terrorist attack. And like that, every day, about 200 people got into the country.

So the area was totally open there. Yes, a big section, very big.

Eshkolot was your first time in the Territories? Yes.

So what did you see there that you can now say was crazy? For instance, when they took over the settlement, Eshkolot. They took hold of – from the tiniest detail – right on the hill of the settlement, they took over some hall there. They put the whole company inside, rows of beds. Some, I don’t know, 100 people with those beds in there. At first, they didn’t have water, a serious problem. And the people of Eshkolot didn't want us there. Arguments that I wasn't a part of, because I was just in the beginning of the course, but there was a mess between the settlers and the army, because [the army] took over the place and they didn’t want them there. That’s already something that was not right. You risk your life also to defend them, actually, and they complain about the soldiers being there. It’s a bit weird, yes. Better to get out of there, and let them manage on their own. And after that, the everyday routine. Look, all in all, there wasn’t anything unusual like you maybe see on the news, that a commander ordered someone “shoot him,” even with a rubber bullet. Nothing like that. But a bit of looting, taking things from the houses that they took over, or, like I told you – detaining people for no reason, or the story with the kid (abuse of a Palestinian child that the witness described earlier). That’s something that’s part of the procedure, also among the commanders.

Were there shows of force? I think that’s what I described earlier, it’s a way of making our presence felt.

Did you use this term? Is it familiar to you? Yes, yes. (…)