Were there cases where detainees were abused? Detainees? We wouldn’t get detainees. I mean, I remember there was a case where they caught someone with a gun and then they had to detain him, but it was just that some unit was supposed to come and get him, something like that. Not a regular arrest, police didn't come to take him. It was guys from Yamam (border police counter-terrorism unit) or Yasam (police special patrol unit), someone was supposed to come and take him from our company. That's it. They didn't really abuse him. They put – he was blindfolded, he was tied up, and was made to kneel with his face to the wall, on his knees. The only abuse, let’s say, was that he wasn’t allowed to sit back, he had to kneel straight up with his face to the wall, like standing.

And if he sat back? He didn’t sit back. He didn't try to, for some reason, I don't know.

How do you say “don't sit back” in Arabic? What do you mean? When you make him kneel down, you put him facing the wall, don't move. You know, it's kind of physical gestures, like, say, if I think he's leaning back, probably the first time they give him a kick or something, and after that he gets the hint. He didn't try.

Did someone watch him so he wouldn't sit back? There was always someone watching him, it was forbidden to leave him alone. He didn't try, he simply didn't try to lean back. I don't know what they did to him on the way to the company.

How long did he stand on his knees? He stood on his knees. He really stood like that for a few good hours, until they came to take him. It was right at the end of the morning, and they came to take him in the evening. He actually sat there a long time until they came to take him.

Did you watch him? I was there for about an hour, something like that. But he didn't know that we were changing shifts, he didn't know what was happening, he had his face to the wall. When I was there, at any rate, he didn't even try. Every time, it was one person watching him. I think it’s very good that I wasn't there with someone else, I'm sure I would have seen things I didn't want to see. They were very careful around me in the company.