How do you say it? Demonization. Like, the fishermen become an enemy, it’s very easy to hate them. You hate them, no matter how you look at it. It’s hard to look at it from their perspective and to be forgiving about the fact that you’re constantly awake because of them, because there really are nights where you like don’t sleep.

Because of a fisherman who went over 200 meters [from the permitted fishing zone].Because a fisherman who decides... You think there’s empathy anywhere? Would you give them empathy? It’s a very busy [military] service, you always have more things to do, you’re always learning, and you’re running around, cleaning weapons. You’re so tired all the time, so exhausted. I don’t think anyone has the energy or the time to think about what’s happening. You’re always exhausted, always tired, always occupied with exactly how many hours we’re going to sleep and how many hours the second shift is going to sleep, and so on and so on, and tons of struggles like that. And the fishermen stay outside, disconnected from what’s going on. They’re some kind of target, you see it on the radar, and it’s kind of this game, you’re always trying not to fall asleep on shift, even at the radar, you say, “Okay, whatever tell me.”