Back then, during basic training, there were a few times when we were very, we tried to be moral towards them. Like there was one time we were training with an HMG (heavy machine gun), in advanced training. The HMG is the big weapon on APCs (Armored Personnel Carriers). We trained with the HMG and then we kind of fired at a range of about three kilometers, and there were camels there who started to run, who were scared off I think or something like that. And then the commanders said: you should fire [live rounds], because the targets are there and the camels are there behind. And on the one hand it’s hysterical, we didn’t want to fire at it. In the end we fired, I don’t know if something happened to the camels. And that’s the situation that I know felt really, like, shit. And there was another issue, when we drove, there is the… I can’t remember their name, there is that village that I think its purpose is to scare trainees. Jinba. There’s the village called Jinba, which is a village of Palestinians who wandered to the Arad area, so [people] complained to the military because there had been friction. There are many Bedouins in the Tel Arad area, where the brigade training base is, who hang around there but who are in good relations with the military, and there is the [people of] Jinba. When we drove there, part of the instructions we got were to drive with the APCs and to trample the wheat fields.

Those were the instructions?Yes.

Was that during APC Week (a week during the advanced training course for infantry soldiers dedicated to learning how to use Armed Personnel Carriers)?Yes. That’s when we got wheat fields, and there was wheat that overflowed beyond the fields, so the instruction that we got, that the platoon commander got, or at least that’s what he said to us, to trample.

The platoon commander said that to you?Yes.

What did you say to him about it?Why are we doing this, and it’s not moral. He said that it is, those are the orders and things like that, that they’re taking over land and all sorts of things like that.

What land are they taking over? Of the training [area].

And it’s definitely that village?Yes.