Did you ever move shepherds away?Yes, a lot.

Try to describe [it].The issue is [with] a shepherd who you think is hiding [something], or the shepherd comes near and then suddenly runs to the barrier. You’re occupied either with a shepherd or with farmers who have fields that are really close. In the end this whole area is providing people’s livelihoods. It’s not only a border between countries. The Gaza Strip is small. The Gaza envelope is small. So from both sides you have, I don’t know, 600 meters from field to field. Less, even. The farmers work in the field, and there’s a field where the farmer strayed a few meters into the security zone (the allowed area from the Gaza-Israel barrier)  and the scout sees this, that they’re working there in that part. It annoys her. So we have to go.

And [then] what?She says, farmers, go move them away.

How do you move them away?You do shots in the air or you shoot a gas grenade next to them. Usually it ends with shots in the air. They understand, they know, it’s kind of [like playing] tag. You shoot in the air, they move away. They wait half an hour, come back. Work a bit more. You shoot in the air again. They move away. They work on another plot, come back. It’s this ping-pong that they stretch. Same with farmers, same with shepherds.

This security zone – do the Palestinians have a way of knowing where it is exactly?Yes, I think it’s marked with barbed wire. As soon as they stopped the Great March of Return (a long series of weekly protests by Palestinians at the Gaza-Israel border fence which were at times lethally supressed by the IDF), we entered and set it up again. But during the Great March of Return they would take it apart again every time, tear it, cut it.

So what – they jump over the barbed wire and, like, work the land?No, during the Great March of Return they destroyed the barbed wire in one of the marches, in one of the protests. And [since] then it wasn’t strong and straight everywhere.

So if there’s no barbed they [still] know?They can’t know exactly.