There’s a huge firing zone [in the Jordan Valley] where Palestinians live.Yes.

How did you feel about the fact that there’s a firing zone in which people live?“They’re fucked up. What are they doing here? They’re not supposed to be here. Why are they living here? Their houses are made of tin anyway; it’s not like it’s worth anything.” That’s how it is. I think that I knew at the time that it was messed up, but it’s like this alternate reality where all these things are real. You don’t ask questions. There are no reasons for these things. It’s just things you know - like - what are they even doing here, and they mistreat dogs, so it’s okay that we’re mean to them. Like, strange things.

That was the talk?Yes, you justify it in all sorts of really weird ways.

And do you see it differently today?Yes, I’m sure the reason why all these areas are firing zones is to make it impossible for people to live there.

What do you mean?I think half our country is a firing zone, and it’s just the military’s decision. The military comes and says, that’s the area I want. I decide I’m doing training here. And they’d do training either never or once a year. These things just take up more and more space. There are people living there, and they get kicked out only when it pays off. And they’d come with bulldozers and just get rid of all their stuff.

And you saw it with your own eyes?Yes, sure.

Many times?Yes, yes, yes, it would happen a lot. It would happen. There was one specific time when it would happen on a weekly basis, and other than that, I’d say it would happen once every few months.

What does the family do in those moments?There’s nothing they can do. They’re told in advance, but not too long in advance.

And where do they go, the family?I don’t know.

Did you ever wonder?No.