I remember that on the security cameras, the girls would watch, I remember that there was a video camera where things would happen and it really excited the girls. And I remember that they would just watch Palestinians’ herds, like watching to see if they’re not coming too close. I would sit next to them and watch and see, and we also saw like, like guys masturbating, all kinds of things like that which… And girls would like…

What, shepherds? Yes, shepherds masturbating and all kinds of things like that and I remember that the girls would really, because it was so funny and like… And I couldn’t stand the fact that they were watching that. Like, it felt to me like this invasion of privacy and I’d still watch, and I was still part of it.

It’s this dissonance.Yes.

Tell me, what’s the capacity of these security cameras? Can you zoom in with them?Yes, yes, totally.

Zoom in well?Depends which – this specific security camera was close to the area that it was watching and you can really zoom in close and you’d also see it in colour.

Can you move it?You can move the camera from place to place. To zoom in, to see what its distance is from me. Like, really, it’s pretty good – what’s pretty good? Compared to the tools in Gaza and stuff, they didn’t invest much in them, but yes.

And let’s say they’re watching someone masturbating, doesn’t it undermine what they’re supposed to do?Ah, of course it does. Of course it does, like there’s a planned sweep that needs to, like, that’s actually what happens on a shift, it’s not that I just sit and watch the screen, I need to move the video camera.

Try to [describe this for] a person who has never been there into the operations room, that thing of watching shepherds and what they’re doing, what does that look like?Often, there aren’t necessarily lots of girls (soldiers) in the operations room at the same time, but the lookout who’s watching suddenly sees it, she looks at the herd of goats, sheep, she’s checking if there’s something suspicious. How does she know what’s suspicious? She doesn’t know, but she looks, checks, and then she calls the soldier on call and calls the shift’s commander and they all watch and laugh or like I don’t know, like talk about it. And then the two girls at different observation posts, who are also further away, say: Give me eyes, give me eyes, [meaning] come replace me at my observation post so I can come see what’s happening there at your observation post. And if not, then there’s a recording, of all the video cameras in the operations room, there’s always a recording and you can go back. So they would actually keep it, this recording, to show later to the girls who were asleep or were not in the operations room, it was really like…

It was a thing?It really was a thing.

Would it happen a lot?It would happen.

This is one example, but are there more examples?I think that there were two guys who had sex once. There were all kinds of things, like also just a guy sitting and smoking was sometimes interesting, or shitting. Yes, that was something that was watched.