There’s that gun that fires those small bullets, you know it? That gun that fires those tiny air bullets, the plastic ones, which really hurt? It was on the level of calling a kid, cocking a weapon in his face and saying to him: Get me a gun like that. Not even asking. They would happily buy us guns like that. On the level of, you give him 15 shekels and the kid is totally happy that he's buying you a gun like that. The bags of 100 bullets would cost us three shekels. We had a ton of guns like that in the company, loads of them. And it was pretty dumb of the kids to buy them for us, because a lot of them would shoot them at the kids. You sit on guard duty and pow, shoot at a kid, pow, shoot at a kid.

Those bullets? Yes. They really hurt. Bad-bad-bad bullets. Until they really made it a rule in the company that it was forbidden to buy them, and whoever bought a gun like that would be tried. We once had an incident where someone, as a joke, fired some of the bullets at a kid, those air bullets, and then he called the kid and aimed the toy gun at his head and they had their picture taken, two of our soldiers. Some time passed, and we were at a post and I was on guard duty with the guy who had played with the kid, and suddenly the witch comes to us, a Palestinian who’s a journalist and was very well known there. She goes to him, she calls him, I don't know how she knew his name. She calls him and shows him the picture of him aiming the gun at the Arab boy's head. Yes. She said to him: “To Yediot or Maariv? To Haaretz? The BBC?” That’s what she did to him with the picture. And we went back to the company, pretty upset that she’s somehow going to get him thrown in prison or something like that. It was a toy gun, and he was sure he was going to be thrown in prison. He told our commander, and they just went out, a special patrol went out to Hebron to find her, the journalist. She was nobody’s fool, and I think they paid her to get the pictures, because they came back with the pictures and she wouldn't have given them. I think they paid her for the pictures. It's a guess. They said she gave them the pictures. But they definitely couldn't beat her up, because she has quite a mouth on her, and to just get the pictures like that, why would she give them to them? She has a goldmine in her hand. It sounds strange to me that she just gave them the pictures.

Could it be that they beat her up? Her, definitely not. Maybe they threatened her. I have no idea, but they came back with all the pictures she showed us, and it wasn't published anywhere. She didn't give them only some, or something like that. It wasn't published. Something was settled there.

And the pictures did the rounds in the company? No, they were destroyed the same day they brought them.

Really? Yes. I remember that they came, because I knew about the pictures.

What did the company commander say about it? That there would have been hell to pay if they’d got to the IDF spokespersons unit. That's what the company commander said.

But he saw it, the company commander also goes out into the field. Yes, but in front of the company commander, you know, they wouldn’t do things like that in front of the company commander. In the Border Police, their commanders were the worst. The scariest, the most abusive, the most disgusting, the most you could be. With our commanders, you would hide stuff like that from them.

But all these guns were going around the company. Yes, he would confiscate them. Our company commander would confiscate them.

So when did the order come out that enough? After the pictures.